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  Lessons in Deception

  by Sea Breeze in

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  i recently came across a piece of historical trivia: italian singer adriano celentano released a song in the 70's with complete nonsense lyrics meant to mimic american english, to prove italians would love any english song.

  it was a huge international hit!.

  it made me think how the wt simillarly used a lot of stage props and nonsensical religious sounding words to fool millions into destroying their families and futures.

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  Sea Breeze

  It is my understanding that they rejected the label "Christian" , until they felt the need to change that stance.

  Not sure about that one. But for sure they used to claim that they were not a "religion", just a society. They changed that when they felt the need to get "religious" protection$ afforded to them under law.

  They used to also deny that they had any "clergy" .... that is until they needed clergy/laity privledge afforded to them under law$.

  The WT has played word games since their inception because they are expert liars. And most if not all JW's lied for them on occasion. For instance, when we were at someone's door and were asked whether or not we were there to change their religion, we would deny that we were there to do that and insist that we were only there to encourage bible reading.
  
  A significant part of recovery from the JW religion is admitting that we all helped further WT lies. We were all perpetrators as much as we were victims.
  
  
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  Who is the who of WHO we ARE? And when we die......where does the "who" go?

  by Terry in

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  if and when you deposit the check from me in your own bank--what happens to my actual personal wealth?.

  2.what happens to my ability to use my entire personal wealth?

  so, how do we answer the question of what happens to you when you die?.

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  Sea Breeze

  Terry,

  You steered the conversation away from your original question in your opening post:

  Who is the who of WHO we ARE? And when we die......where does the "Who" go?

  Do you have a clear viewpoint on these questions you raised? In other words, Who do you think you are? I admit, I had trouble seeing the relevance of Russian dolls with the original questions you proposed.

  There is a documentary out in theaters right now called AFTER DEATH. I plan to go see it in the next day or two.
  
  You pose really good questions in your OP.
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  Lessons in Deception

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i recently came across a piece of historical trivia: italian singer adriano celentano released a song in the 70's with complete nonsense lyrics meant to mimic american english, to prove italians would love any english song.

  it was a huge international hit!.

  it made me think how the wt simillarly used a lot of stage props and nonsensical religious sounding words to fool millions into destroying their families and futures.

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  Sea Breeze

  Not Former, you are more correct after thinking about it. Guess I'm getting tired.

  In the JW world:
  
  Grace was changed to Underserved Kindness

  Justification was changed to "Declared Righteous"
  
  I am interested if anyone else heard that it was OK to refer to oneself as born again as a JW after 1996 when I left.
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  Who is the who of WHO we ARE? And when we die......where does the "who" go?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if and when you deposit the check from me in your own bank--what happens to my actual personal wealth?.

  2.what happens to my ability to use my entire personal wealth?

  so, how do we answer the question of what happens to you when you die?.

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  Sea Breeze

  Terry,

  I think we all understand what rationality is. That was not my question.

  above all, that one must never seek to get away with contradictions.

  What is "wrong" with irrationality and contradictions? It is a chance universe in your view right? Maybe even multiverses. How do you know that in some universe contradictions might be the norm, even demanded as you have demanded logic in this one.
  
  What is the basis for your certitude that rationality and non-contradiction is "correct"? And you still haven't answered where did logic and rationality come from in your worldview?

  It means a commitment to reason, not in sporadic fits or on selected issues or in special emergencies, but as a permanent way of life.

  If we blew up a 5 gallon bucket of paint, why should you demand that the paint splatter on one wall be used as a standard to judge the other nonsensical splattered walls? Doesn't make any sense. It's arbitrary.

  The rats in the video clip I posted above seem to do just fine without much rationality. The greatest rational minds in all of history, Einstein, Newton, Di Vinci have never discovered a way to eradicate them.

  Your worldview is self defeating on its own merit and implodes upon itself under examination. It should be rejected as irrational, arbitrary and without basis.
  
  
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  Lessons in Deception

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i recently came across a piece of historical trivia: italian singer adriano celentano released a song in the 70's with complete nonsense lyrics meant to mimic american english, to prove italians would love any english song.

  it was a huge international hit!.

  it made me think how the wt simillarly used a lot of stage props and nonsensical religious sounding words to fool millions into destroying their families and futures.

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  Sea Breeze

  I heard that they were allowed to claim to be born again when mainstream protestants challenged them on this on the doorstep...in the 80s. Is there any WT ruling on claiming to be "born again"?

  I been out since 1996. So, hopefully, someone who has been in more recently can respond with something more current.

  When I was in, I had no idea of the concept of Justification and that it meant the same thing as being "born again". So, I would have probably ignorantly answered that I was born again when I was an active JW.
  
  However, the WT came right out and plainly said that the average member wasn't Justified in the early 1930's when they officially kicked off the two-tier salvation message (one with the New Covenant and one without it) that JW's are infamous for.
  
  At some point they stopped using the term Justification altogether and replaced it with the term "underserved kindness", which furhter muddied the waters. It all sounds very religious and biblical, but is actually the opposite of bible teaching. ... Kinda like the funny Italian guy sounding like he's knows English in the song above and made millions of dollars while having a bit of fun.
  
  
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  Lessons in Deception

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i recently came across a piece of historical trivia: italian singer adriano celentano released a song in the 70's with complete nonsense lyrics meant to mimic american english, to prove italians would love any english song.

  it was a huge international hit!.

  it made me think how the wt simillarly used a lot of stage props and nonsensical religious sounding words to fool millions into destroying their families and futures.

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  Sea Breeze

  I think the video above is a recent mix on the original. I believe this is the original song....sounds English. Pretty funny. I think I heard him say something about "sugar coco pops".

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VsmF9m_Nt8&ab_channel=LePietreRotolanti
  
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  Lessons in Deception

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i recently came across a piece of historical trivia: italian singer adriano celentano released a song in the 70's with complete nonsense lyrics meant to mimic american english, to prove italians would love any english song.

  it was a huge international hit!.

  it made me think how the wt simillarly used a lot of stage props and nonsensical religious sounding words to fool millions into destroying their families and futures.

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  Sea Breeze

  I recently came across a piece of historical trivia: Italian singer Adriano Celentano released a song in the 70's with complete nonsense lyrics meant to mimic American English, to prove Italians would love any English song. It was a huge international hit!

  
  

  It made me think how the WT simillarly used a lot of stage props and nonsensical religious sounding words to fool millions into destroying their families and futures.

  
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QytckwhRR70&ab_channel=Audiowok
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  New meeting format

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  just watched november broadcast very different order to the leaked agm .

  be good if someone did a deep dive on the difference and why the changes?

  i didn’t time the items but it should be easy to see if edited?.

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  Sea Breeze

  PIMO friends tell me that their Cong just asked all Pubs to complete a written form that commits them to a monthly contribution. Said that this commitment is needed so the WTS will know how much they can depend on when considering foreign building projects

  In 2014, Watchtower promised to never solicit money, and that begging is offensive.

  “Jehovah’s people do not beg for money. ... They hold to what the Watch Tower long ago said: “We have never considered it proper to solicit money for the Lord’s cause, after the common custom . . . It is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our Lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.””
  
  
  God’s Kingdom Rules (2014) pp.195-196

  JW's are very gullible people as a whole.
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  Who is the who of WHO we ARE? And when we die......where does the "who" go?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if and when you deposit the check from me in your own bank--what happens to my actual personal wealth?.

  2.what happens to my ability to use my entire personal wealth?

  so, how do we answer the question of what happens to you when you die?.

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  Sea Breeze

  The very fact I must refer to them and you must think of them as quantities identify the rational distinction our minds demand!

  Terry,

  I do appreciate your ponderings. Have you ever pondered why the human mind "demands" rationality? Why should we be rational and where did rationality come from?

  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YIQVoOYwOzg
  
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  Reinstatement Procedure

  by KerryKing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what else has changed?.

  during the many years i have been df'd the org has printed a new bible, new song book, doctrinal changes, so has anything changed re reinstating someone?.

  i'm contemplating the leap for family reasons but due to my job and young family commitments there is no way i would be able to attend every meeting for months on end.

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  Sea Breeze

  Sanchy: your best bet is to humiliate yourself publicly so that the elders notice

  DOC: I think the best approach would be that you see all the things going on in the World and it PROVES that The End is very, very near.

  Jesus: "Many people were traveling with Jesus. He said to them, 26 “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters—even more than your own life! 27 Whoever will not carry the cross that is given to them when they follow me cannot be my follower".

  Celebrate Revovery has over 30,000 chapters helping people with their hurts, habits and hang-ups. It's free and is helpful in sharing honesty, grief, loss and recovery with others who seek to be healed by Jesus. Jesus is still in the healing business. I have attended off and on for years..... very helpful.
  
  I was never disfellowshipped, faded at first but eventually took a stand for conscious reasons, false prophecies, lack of love in congregations, Jesus not the Mediator for the R&F, etc.
  
  My family has been in it for nearly 100 years. I had several dozen relatives I had to say goodbye to. I started my own family at age 40, have three sons, and was able to get my nephew out.
  
  I find a great deal of satisfaction in knowing that all of the male heirs capable of reproducing and furthering the family name will never be JW's .... because of me. In other words, no descendant with my father's last name will ever worship this idol again. I stopped a legacy of tragedy... at least in one family.
  
  If you will follow Jesus and let the chips fall where they may, Jesus boldly claims to repay a person one hundred times over...."in this age".

  Jesus said, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time...and in the age to come eternal life. - Mark 10: 29

  
  

  What to do with Jesus and his incredible claims? He's either the most evil person who ever lived because of his lying claims, or he is who he said he is.